Curse

ArlanKels · Sep 01, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

I currently am running a ton of characters concurrently...I think is the right word...anywho, and one of them is a Paragon. Just got him to Gunner's Hold so I'm going to abuse...I mean have fun with Kilroy and get him to 20 in two seconds flat.

Currently I'm looking at breaking from the norm and not making an Imbagon.
I am keeping the OHGODSSOPOWERFUL "There's Nothing to Fear", of course...but instead of Warrior I have gone...
Necro.

Right now he's a "Conditiongon", I guess you might call it.
Cracked Armor, Burning, Deep Wound, Bleeding, Weaken are accessible.

I have no clue what Elite I want to give to him, though...any recommendations or ideas would be thoroughly loved.

As for the skills:
Barbed Spear
Blazing Spear
There's Nothing To Fear
Find Their Weakness
Enfeebling Blood
Weaken Armor
We Shall Return

IronSheik · Sep 01, 2009, 10:55 PM // 22:55

Moar daze stun strike/awe/spearswipethx

Bob Slydell · Sep 01, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by ArlanKels

Right now he's a "Conditiongon", I guess you might call it.

LOL, call it "Gondition"

Anyways looks nice, if it works for you it works for you, remember people on guru are very harsh with their criticism :P

I'll eventually fire up my paragon again, shes like lvl 15 still on istan and its been a couple years....

Rolandl · Sep 01, 2009, 11:49 PM // 23:49

Suggests either Stunning strike...goes well with your conditioning or soldier's fury to increase DPS.

ArlanKels · Sep 01, 2009, 11:54 PM // 23:54

Yeah..
One thing I was wondering.

Should I swap out Enfeebling for Anthem of Weariness?
Right now Enfeebling costs me some HP to use, but also lets me choose an area of opponents I want it to affect, whereas with Anthem it's more of a gamble that your allies will hit the opponents you want them to...

Rolandl · Sep 02, 2009, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by ArlanKels

Yeah..
One thing I was wondering.

Should I swap out Enfeebling for Anthem of Weariness?
Right now Enfeebling costs me some HP to use, but also lets me choose an area of opponents I want it to affect, whereas with Anthem it's more of a gamble that your allies will hit the opponents you want them to...

Personally I wouldn't have taken a necro secondary. I always run with triple necros in PvE and i think that Enfleebling and so on would be better carried by your SS necro. If this is pure PvE then i would also suggests Spear of fury and either Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support or Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support. I am the strongest, you move like a dwarf or finish him are also good PVE only skills to carry.

If you still prefer necro secondary then i would suggests Barbs for spikes
or Mark of Pain for all around damage. An alternative necro elite like Virulence can cause major health degenerate at same time.

Racthoh · Sep 02, 2009, 05:57 AM // 05:57

You're splitting your attributes four ways, unless you're not meeting the requirement for your shield. You also have two adrenaline skills, neither of which are shouts or chants, and five energy skills trying to be powered with two pips of energy regeneration. Just because you have access to all of those conditions does not mean you should try to use them all.

Ccat · Sep 02, 2009, 12:09 PM // 12:09

Drop Barbed and Blazing. Without FGJ! of FA you're only going to be able to hit it every so often. I would at least take out Barbed (3 degen is nothing) and replace it with GftE! for energy.

Degeneration seems to work for some people, but I would personally only keep Deep Wound and Weakness, possibly Weaken Armor (depends what sort of damage you're using) because they are drastically more effective than the other conditions. Give burning/degeneration to someone who can do it better.

Tenebrae · Sep 02, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Just bring Agg Ref , Wearyng Spear , Anthem Of Flame and Plague sending ( 4 curses ). Use with Vicious Attack + GFTE / Spear Swipe and there you go .....

ArlanKels · Sep 02, 2009, 01:21 PM // 13:21

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

You're splitting your attributes four ways, unless you're not meeting the requirement for your shield. You also have two adrenaline skills, neither of which are shouts or chants, and five energy skills trying to be powered with two pips of energy regeneration. Just because you have access to all of those conditions does not mean you should try to use them all.

You don't need a single point in Curses in order to use Weaken Armor and Enfeebling Blood well. I learned that from playing my necro. You can actually keep weaken up permanently without a single point in curses, that's why I love the spell so much.

reaper with no name · Sep 02, 2009, 08:29 PM // 20:29

But there's still the energy problem.

Paragons normally don't need to worry about energy because of leadership. But leadership only works on shouts and chants. The most you can get out of leadership is 8 energy. With the couple of shouts you do have, you're not even breaking even. And with only 2 pips of energy regen (2/3 energy per second), there's no way you'll be able to fuel your build. Or even half of your build, for that matter.

I'm not a paragon player, so I wouldn't know exactly what skills would be best, but you need to drop some of those skills and bring some adrenaline-based shouts and chants for energy management. Otherwise, your build has no hope of doing what you want it to. Perhaps switch out Find Their Weakness with GftE?

Racthoh · Sep 02, 2009, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by ArlanKels

You don't need a single point in Curses in order to use Weaken Armor and Enfeebling Blood well. I learned that from playing my necro. You can actually keep weaken up permanently without a single point in curses, that's why I love the spell so much.

As just stated by reaper with no name you will have energy problems. 2 pips of regeneration vs. 4 pips and Soul Reaping. Granted Paragons don't have much problems with their energy but you're lacking an IAS and adrenaline shouts/chants. Even if Enfeebling Blood is 1 energy the constant 17% health sac to yourself is going to annoy the backline if you need to refresh Weakness too often, especially since you can't prot a sacrifice.

Carboplatin · Sep 04, 2009, 01:44 AM // 01:44

with that bar, you'll never charge up stunning strike, or by the time you charge it up, it won't be that helpful.

but playing a half caster is meh imo.

wilebill · Sep 04, 2009, 09:17 AM // 09:17

Imbagon! Just say no! my bumpersticker

Not sure if you are going for a player group build, or heroes and hench pve.

Sabway for PvE will do the necro side for you. Elite Focused Anger. Just for reference I run this with Sabway, lots of energy. Typical group includes one or two hench melee plus the minions. Excellent in normal or hard mode. TNtF pfui, don't need.

Leadership 14
Spear 11
Command 11

Hexbreaker Aria
Vampirism
Focused Anger - E
Go For the Eyes
Spear of Fury
Anthem of Flame
Technobabble
Anthem of Envy

Energy out the kazoonie. Only condition I care about is burning because there mostly dead pretty quick anyway. With Sabway, the above build is catastrophe on the loose, and most of the time you finish combat with a mostly full energy bar.

For cases where you want stun, switch to P/W, throw on Stunning Strike, For Great Justice, Spear Swipe, season to taste.